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Education:
B.A. Houghton College
M.A. University of Alberta
Ph.D. University of Chicago
Litt.D. Houghton College
L.L.D. Northwestern College

Biographical Information:
Richard Mouw joined the faculty of Fuller as professor of Christian philosophy in September 1985, after 17 years as a professor at Calvin College. He served for four years as provost and senior vice president under David Hubbard, then in 1993 was inaugurated as the fourth president of the Fuller Seminary. Mouw has served Fuller as teacher, scholar, administrator, and public interpreter of evangelicalism. He has published eleven books during these years, and authored articles, reviews, and essays appearing in more than 30 journals. Among his books are The God Who Commands: A Study in Divine Ethics (Notre Dame, 1990), Uncommon Decency (InterVarsity, 1992), Consulting the Faithful (Eerdmans, 1994), and The Smell of Sawdust (Zondervan, 2000). He is a regular columnist on "Beliefnet" Web Magazine.

Areas of Expertise, Research, Writing, and Teaching:
Social Ethics, philosophy of culture

            Transcription of  A Debate On Common Grace 9/12/ 03 Distributed by  the Evangelism Society of Southeast Protestant Reformed Church, Grand Rapids, Michigan

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                                               Table of Contents 

1.2.I -              Prefatory  - Mr.Noorman

 

1.2.II -             Description of He Shines in All That’s Fair, by  Dr.Mouw & Common Grace Revisited, by  Professor Engelsma

 

1.2.III,IV-       Introductions of Dr.Richard J.Mouw & Prof. David J.Engelsma

 

1.2.V -            Format of debate explained


 

1.3.I - XVII    Speech of Dr.Mouw defending cultural common grace

            

1.3.I,II         Introductory  remarks

 

1.3.III          The ‘ Three Points ‘ of 1924 and their manifestations

 

1.3.IV          John Calvin stipulates universal gifts of reason and understanding as a “ peculiar

                    grace of God “ , though admitting that the pagan mind is “ choked with dense

                    ignorance “, and even his civic virtues lose all favor before God.

 

1.3.V           Dr.Mouw takes Calvin’s positive evaluations of pagan thought, and warning

                  not to dishonor the Holy  Ghost  by  despising the truth given to pagans, seriously

 

1.3.VI          Appreciation of God’s multi-faceted engagement with and delight in His creation is

                    critical for a nuanced comprehension of His responses / relationship to the

                    unconverted and their works   

 

1.3.VII         God’s positive non-redemptive purposes  basis of  “ common grace ministries “ 

 

1.3.VIII        Prof. Engelsma’s reduction of common grace to theological empiricism

 

1.3.IX          Warnings against empiricism legitimate, because of the heart’s proneness to              

                     deception and the esteeming highly of that which God hates, cp. Jer.17:9, Isa.5:20             

                    but his is a theologically  founded activism which stimulates scripture study  

 

1.3.X,XI        Christian celebration of pagan athletics, response to Prof.Engelsma’s critique 

 

1.3.XII,XIII    Unbelieving Hebrews participants is God’s salvific program; Revisited’sheart

                       breaking’ response to heathen tragedy : God is the author of all such suffering and

                       does not sympathize with the subjects thereof : our natural feelings are not

                       reflective of the Divine pathos : Dr.Mouw demurs with two points :

                

1.3.XIV         1) Humanitarian activism as precept, cp. Jeremiah 29:7; Luke 10:30ff  

 

1.3.XV          2) Humanitarian activism as N.T. principle, cp. 1 Peter 2:17, 3:15-17 : our

                     perceptively  enjoined indiscriminate compassion upon suffering men expresses the             

                     love of the heart of God towards the same

 

1.3.XVI         PRC objection based upon acknowledgment of the immutable hatred of God

                      manifested in reprobation, cp. Romans 9:18        

 

1.3.XVII        The pathetic heart of God vis. the wicked, cp. Matthew 23:37 


1.2.I

Mr.Noorman : Thank you Rev. Kuiper. Good evening and, again, welcome to tonight’s debate. In God’s Holy, Inspired Word, we are repeatedly  called to be an understanding people : Psalm Forty-seven verse seven calls us to sing praises with understanding. This means that we are to know of what we sing, when we sing the praises of God. In a broader context, we must also live all of our lives with understanding. We cannot do lip service to our beliefs in living our lives any more than we can with our singing of praises. I believe that it is the hope of the Evangelism Committee of the Southeast Protestant Reformed Church that tonight’s debate will help all of those who are exposed to this grow in their understanding of the doctrines that shape their view of God’s world, and better understand the relationships and the work that they  find themselves in, as they  complete their pilgrimage on this earth.

 

The question that will be debated tonight is : is the doctrine of common grace reformed? The topic of tonight’s debate is certainly  not a new topic to reformed circles. The doctrine of common grace has been debated in synods, consistory  rooms, church narthexes, living rooms, kitchens, and work places of reformed people for close to one hundred years. These debates center on the relationship that the redeemed people of God, and the one church that they  compose, can, or should have, with the unbelieving world.

 

1.2.II

Our debate tonight comes on the heels of the publication of two books, which have once again looked at this question. First published was the book form of a series of lectures given in the year two thousand at Calvin College Stob Lecture Series : this book is titled He Shines in All That’s Fair : Culture and Common Grace by  Dr. Richard J. Mouw. The second book is the book form of a series of articles written in the Standard Bearer magazine as a response to Dr. Mouw’s book. This book by  Prof. David Engelsma is titled “ Common Grace Revisited : A Response to Richard J. Mouw’s He Shines in All That’s Fair  

 

1.2.III

At this time I’d like to formally  introduce our two speakers, and also go over the format that we will follow here tonight. To my  left is Dr. Richard J. Mouw. Dr. Mouw will be defending the position that the doctrine of common grace is reformed. He is a graduate of Houghton College, and completed graduate studies at Western Theological Seminary, University  of Alberta, and earned a Ph.D. in philosophy  from the University of Chicago. Dr. Mouw is currently in his tenth year as president of Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, California. Fuller is the largest multi-denominational seminary in the world. He joined the faculty  of Fuller Seminary  as a professor of Christian philosophy and ethics in nineteen eight-five after seventeen years as a professor at Calvin College here in Grand Rapids, Michigan. In nineteen ninety-three he was inaugurated as the fourth president of Fuller Seminary. Dr. Mouw is known throughout the world in evangelical circles, and has authored eleven books, as well as articles, reviews and essays that have appeared in more than thirty  journals.  He is a regular   contributor to the Belief.net  web magazine. He is here tonight with his wife Phyllis, and his son Dirk. Would you please join me in welcoming Dr. Richard Mouw.

 

1.2.IV                                   

To my  right is Prof. David Engelsma. Prof. Engelsma will be defending the position that the doctrine of common grace is not reformed. Prof. Engelsma currently  is professor of Dogmatics and Old Testament Studies at the Theological School of the Protestant Reformed Churches  in Grandville, Michigan.  He has served in this position for the past fifteen years. Following his schooling in the Protestant Reformed Seminary, he served as pastor of Protestant Reformed Churches in Loveland, Colorado  and South Holland, Illinois. He is a graduate of Calvin College, and he earned his Masters of Theology  Degree at Calvin Theological Seminary. He has authored several books defending the historically  reformed position on marriage, divorce and remarriage, Christian education, the covenant, and the end-times. Prof. Engelsma is also the editor of the reformed periodical the Standard Bearer published by  the Reformed Free Publishing Association. Prof. Engelsma is married to his wife Ruth, and he has many   children. Please welcome with me tonight Prof. David Engelsma.

 

1.2.V

I ask as a courtesy to both speakers that there be no further applause or comments from the audience from this point. The format for tonight’s debate will include four segments. First, each speaker will have thirty minutes to present his case on the topic. Dr. Mouw, who will argue that the doctrine of common grace is reformed, will speak first, and Prof. Engelsma will follow.  After the initial presentations, there will be a fifteen minute intermission giving the speakers time to prepare their rebuttals. Then each speaker will have fifteen minutes to rebut the other’s position. The third segment will involve Dr. Mouw and Prof. Engelsma answering questions that they  have prepared for each other and exchanged in advance. The final segment will involve speakers answering questions prepared by  you in the audience. In your program you will find a space to write your questions. It will be very important that you address your questions to one of the speakers, or to both of the speakers, if you wish. Dr. Mouw will receive all the questions addressed to Prof. Engelsma, and he will choose which questions he would like to have answered and it will work the same for questions addressed to Dr. Mouw. Questions that you would like to have both men respond to would go to me and I would choose those questions. My  position as moderator will be to keep the speakers timely, and I can assure each speaker that I will cut them off  after they  have used the allotted time, plus a little bit, maybe. After dealing with high school kids all week, a couple of seminary  professors should be a piece of cake. And then I will also present the questions to the speakers so that they can answer them. Our time keeper tonight is Mr. Jim Noorman, and he will show me when the allotted time is up.

 

So we will begin our first segment of the program tonight with Dr. Mouw.

 

1.3.I

Dr.Mouw : Thank you. I’m delighted to be here. Feels like I’m running for political office. I was thinking if I can hold my  own with David Engelsma I may  go back and take on Arnold Schwarzenegger in California. When I delivered the Stob lectures at Calvin College and Seminary  in the fall of two thousand, several of my  Christian Reformed friends expressed puzzlement as to why I had chosen to focus on the theology  of common grace. It was clear that they saw this topic as lacking in any  contemporary   relevance. To be sure they  would be quick to acknowledge that they subscribe to the common grace idea, but they  also aren’t very  interested in engaging in  critical reflection on the issues that were debated heatedly  by  the Dutch American Calvinists in the early nineteen twenties. From their point of view the topic was dealt with adequately  by  the Christian Reformed Synod of nineteen twenty-four whose pronouncements on common grace lead to the expulsion of Herman Hoeksema and his followers who in turn established the Protestant Reformed Churches.

The Protestant Reformed folks, on the other hand, have been eager to keep the discussions going, and they have been obviously  frustrated by the larger reformed community’s lack of interest in pursuing the issues. Their frustration is understandable. I’m convinced that the debates of the nineteen twenties and the Protestant Reformed Church’s continuing critique of the theology  of common grace have importance for the entire body  of Jesus Christ in the twenty first century.

 

1.3.II

To engage in critical reflection on those matters for our present day situation is, or so I am convinced, to perform a significant service to the life and  mission of the church in our own day. Given the interest that my   book based on my  Stob lectures has stimulated, not only in the broad evangelical movement, but also among Roman Catholics, and mainline Protestants,  to say nothing of the recent release of a Chinese translation   by the officially sanctioned Protestant churches of mainland China,  who now know who Herman Hoeksema is, I am even more convinced of this hopeful assessment. So this discussion needs to continue. While I’m firm in my  belief that the theology  of common grace is a solid basis for the proper understanding of the church’s mission in the world, I also know that there are important dangers associated with this topic. The idea of common grace can easily be misused to legitimize a blanket uncritical endorsement of culture as such anywhere. Thus, luring Christians into ungodly compromises with the forces of evil in the world. I personally have found it helpful, even necessary, for my   own theological well being to continue to wrestle with the views of those folks who reject the theology of common grace. With this in mind, I want to offer my  sincere thanks to the Evangelism Society of the Southeast Protestant Reformed Church for the effort that they  have put into planning this event. And I also want to express my deep gratitude to Prof. Engelsma for the careful attention that he’s given to my  thoughts on the subject of common grace. I’ve learned much from his series of articles in which he sets forth an extensive critique of what I argued in my  book. And I’m immensely  pleased that his reflections are now appearing in book form. I’ve been looking forward to continuing our dialogue on this subject this evening. And while neither of us is likely  to come away   from this discussion completely  convinced by  the other, I do want to say, at the outset, that I have already  learned much from Prof. Engelsma on a subject that we both care about very  deeply.

1.3.III

The debates of the nineteen twenties focused primarily  on the teaching set forth in what came to be known as the ‘ Three Points ‘ of nineteen twenty-four, namely  the Christian Reformed synodical declaration that there is in addition to the saving grace, that is imparted only  to the elect, also a common grace, an attitude of divine favor that extends to all human beings, saved and unsaved alike, which is in turn manifested in three ways, these three ways :

one : the bestowal of natural gifts; such as rain and sunshine upon creatures in general.

two : the restraining of sin in human affairs, so that the unredeemed do not produce all of the evil that their depraved natures might otherwise bring about.

and three : the ability of unbelievers to perform acts of civic good.

1.3.IV

Defenders of common grace like to appeal to John Calvin himself to defend their views. Calvin’s study  of various Greek and Roman writers had left him with a sense of appreciation for several pagan thinkers, including, and especially, Seneca. This appreciation led Calvin to point to what he called ‘ a universal apprehension of reason and understanding ‘ that is by   nature implanted in men, which because it is bestowed indiscriminately, upon the pious and the impious, it is rightly counted among natural gifts. Indeed he insists every  human being ought to recognize this implanted rational nature as, these are his words, “ a peculiar grace of God “.

Moreover, when we observe this gift of natural reason at work in secular writers, Calvin advises, we should, and I’m going to quote him a little bit at length here, “ we should let that admirable light of truth shining in them “, these are pagan thinkers now, “ teach us that the mind of man, though fallen, and perverted from its wholeness, is nevertheless clothed and ornamented with God’s excellent gifts. If we regard the Spirit of God as the sole fountain of truth, we shall neither reject the truth itself, nor despise it where it shall appear, unless we wish to dishonor the Spirit of God. Those men whom scripture calls natural men, were indeed sharp and penetrating in their investigation of inferior things, let us accordingly, learn by their example, how many  gifts the Lord left to human nature even after it was despoiled of its true good. “ John Calvin.

Now, Herman Hoeksema and his followers, on the other hand, have been quick to point out that in spite of such praise,  Calvin was also inclined to speak very negatively  about the products of the unregenerate mind. When Calvin credits the unredeemed with some grasp of the principles of civic fairness, for example, he quickly  adds that even when the human mind follows after truth, he says, “ it limps and staggers “. In the lives of unbelievers, Calvin says, the civic virtues are so sullied, that before God they  lose all favor. So that anything in him that appears praiseworthy, he says, “ must be considered worthless. “ And while he acknowledges, “ that “, quote, “ some sparks still gleam in the fallen mind, that light is nonetheless choked with dense ignorance so that it cannot come forth effectively. “

1.3.V

Now, we all agree that Calvin says these things, but we differ in how we assess the importance of  his various remarks on the subject. The Protestant Reformed folks take Calvin’s negative comments as expressing his real view, and they dismiss his more positive assessments of pagan thought as unfortunate misstatements. On the other hand, while I do want to take his negative thoughts seriously, I also want to honor his positive evaluations, and furthermore, I’m convinced that the stakes are very  high here. Since as Calvin says, if we despise the truth when it comes to us from unbelievers, we run the real risk of   “ dishonoring “, he says, “ the Spirit of God.”  In his helpful critique of my reflections on the subject, Prof. Engelsma takes me to task for emphasizing the fact that God’s goodness shines in all that’s fair, without also giving due attention to the fact that the Lord also curses all that’s foul. Well he’s right to call attention to the cursedness of much that issues forth from depraved hearts and minds. But I want to respond, by  also expressing my  dissatisfaction with the way he refuses to acknowledge how  God’s creating purposes are often honored by  people who do not acknowledge God as the source of the glory  that is displayed in their thoughts and deeds. And I want to focus here on what I see as the basic points of contention between us on this matter.

1.3.VI

As I read the situation, the crucial  questions are these : what does God take delight in, and what does God hate. The critics of common grace insist that God takes delight in the saving of His elect people, and He hates everything that issues forth from the lives of the unredeemed. I’m convinced that that assumption fails to do justice to the full scope of God’s complex interest in His creation. The God of the Bible certainly  cares about more things than the issue of salvation. Even before human beings were created, God took satisfaction as He contemplated the swarms of non-human living things that He had called into being and the Psalmist tells us that the Lord continues to take delight in the workings of His creation, all the workings of His creation. Why should we doubt that God takes pleasure when a good poem is written, or when a no-hitter is pitched on Monday, or when a string quartet performs a Mozart piece with splendid artistry. Whether or not such things are accomplished by  believers or unbelievers.

1.3.VII

This issue of the more-than-redemptive scope of God’s positive purposes in the world has important practical implications, especially  in connection with what I call “ common grace ministries “. For example, a Calvinist involved in ministering to people in a hospital sponsored alcoholism recovery program once described this situation to me very  poignantly . He says, “ I regularly  see people move from a desperate kind of bondage to alcohol to new dimensions of freedom in their lives. The change is often very  dramatic, yet it isn’t at all obvious that in experiencing this release from addiction, they’ve been regenerated in the classic sense. Their lives have been transformed, but they have not come to know Jesus. I do want them to become Christians, “ he said, “ and I also want to celebrate what looks for all the world to me like a grace occurrence in their lives. “ Well here’s another case that I used in my  book to make my  point. A Christian therapist counsels a non-Christian couple. Their marriage has been seriously wounded by  the husband’s adulterous affair. The therapist helps them to be honest about the hurts, fears and angers that have surrounded this episode. Finally, a moment comes when the husband tearfully  acknowledges the pain that he has caused, and he asks his wife to forgive him. She reaches out with a new found tenderness toward him. They  embrace, both of them sobbing. It’s clear that they intend to build a new life together. Now, they  haven’t been saved in the process, but the therapist is convinced that she has witnessed, and has been privileged to be a human instrument in a powerful display  of healing grace. She senses that she has reinforced the kinds of behaviors and attitudes that God wants for human beings.

1.3.VIII

Now in my  book, I was very   intentional insisting that we deal with concrete cases. Prof. Engelsma sees this as a basic defect in my  approach. This means, he says, that “ my defense “, and I’m quoting him here,” my  defense of common grace is based on what we see, feel and think as we observe our neighbors in the world. When we take this approach “, he concedes, “ the theory  of common grace wins hands down. “ He goes on, “ We critics of common grace also see fine, decent, moral, friendly, likable unbelievers. We too see good in the ungodly, much good, sympathizing with the suffering neighbor who worships another god or no god at all. We too wonder why  God does not feel pity  for them. And these experiences, “ he says, “ tempt the critic of common grace “ quote, “ to suppose that the Christian is permitted, is indeed called, to join with non-Christians in what would seem to be the noblest of all causes, creating a society, a nation, a world of justice, peace, beauty  and goodness, and to do so, “ he says, “ without the gospel and the Spirit of Jesus Christ. “ Now Prof. Engelsma has commended me for my  candor in stating just why  it is that I embrace common grace theology and I want to return the compliment. I find these comments of his about what he finds tempting in the case for a common grace theology, I find these comments to be commendably candid. And I want to try to get this clearer this evening about just why  it is that we move in such different directions from this common inclination to reach out to suffering unbelievers, and to enjoy  the works of people who operate apart from redeeming grace.

1.3.IX

As Prof. Engelsma sees it, my  error is that  I start with my   feelings of sympathy  and appreciation for unbelievers, and then I try  to square these feelings with my reformed theology. He wishes that I would heed a word of advice that Herman Hoeksema once gave to his seminary students, referring to what was then the heart of Grand Rapids’ life, Hoeksema warned, “ Do not do your theology on the corner of Monroe and Division. “   And this is where Prof. Engelsma thinks I go wrong, he says, “ I spend much too much time doing my  theology  on the streets of Southern California. “ Now, let me make it clear, that I endorse what I think is the basic concern that Engelsma and Hoeksema are raising in stating the case this way.   I think they’re saying that we must not get our theology  from our experiences out there in the world. And that’s an appropriate warning. We can see the real dangers of an experience based theology   at work in the churches today. For example, people are defending all sorts of deviant behaviors and relationships on the grounds that they  experience these patterns as ‘ fulfilling ‘ or ‘ nurturing ‘. When we encounter such theological moves, we must call people back to the teaching of God’s Word. In clear recognition that the human “ heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked “ and that we are prone as sinners to ‘ call good evil and evil good ‘. So, the Protestant Reformed folks are issuing a legitimate warning. But it’s one thing to warn, again rightly  so, against deriving our theology from our experiences, and its a very  different thing to insist, as I want to do, that we must bring our theology  to the street corners of Grand Rapids, and Los Angeles and Singapore, and Calcutta in the recognition that the God of the scriptures, is the ruler over every   square inch of creation and that His word is, indeed, ‘ a lamp unto our feet ‘ as we walk the city streets and the rain forest pathways, and hospital corridors, and putting greens that traverse the fullness of the world that has been made by the hands of our sovereign Lord. In this sense I do want our students at Fuller Theological Seminary to learn to do theology  on the street corners. Furthermore, when we do our theology   out there on street corners, in this good sense, we will often be forced to take a new  look  at what the Word is teaching us. Discovering, on occasion, new wisdom that can be mined from the riches of God’s revelation to us. When we’ re out there on street corners, we often discover new questions that we must bring back to the Word of God for guidance from above.

1.3.X

So here’s what I want to do now. I want to probe two kinds of experiences out there in the world in the hope of further clarifying just where we really disagree about these matters. The first has to do with a fairly trivial case, the athletic accomplishments of the unregenerate ( we call theology  athletics now ). In my  book I offered the opinion that Christians can enjoy  the putts of Tiger Woods, and home runs hit by  unbelieving major leaguers. And that furthermore in doing so we can rest in the assurance that God Himself enjoys such things. “ Christianity Today “ used the ‘ God enjoys baseball ‘ theme in its feature about my book, and Prof. Engelsma in his critique had some fun with my Tiger Woods example, even as he chastised me for celebrating the accomplishments of a “ Sabbath breaking golfer “. Now, I promise I will immediately repent of my  sin if I am bearing false witness in saying what I am about to say, but I think I remember reading somewhere that Herman Hoeksema enjoyed watching the Detroit Tigers on television.

1.3.XI

If so, I think I can understand what a non-common grace explanation for this enjoyment might look like. Here we have, the argument could go, not just one, but a whole team of Sabbath breaking Tigers, who regularly  defy  the law of the Lord. They  do not exercise their talents to the glory of God, but for all that, they do some things that show forth some of God’s creating handiwork. While the exploits of these often God-less major leaguers are indeed contributing to their own destruction, the elect can nonetheless appreciate signs of God’s creaturely  goodness in these deeds. The critic of common grace, while insisting that there’s no grace at work here, could still acknowledge that this activity  does take place in a world created by  God, and that even perversions of God’s good handiwork can serve godly  purposes such as providing for the leisurely  enjoyment of a baseball game by a hard working Protestant Reformed pastor-theologian.Well, I think I could live with that kind of theology  of baseball and golf if I had to, but it still seems to me to miss one important dimension. Namely, the way  in which something that is not meant to be to the glory  of God, nonetheless can bring glory  to God. An Al Kaline and a Tiger Woods are in fact displaying some of the prowess and ability that God wanted the creation to display. The appearance of this kind of thing was one of God’s motives for creating a world that included among, other things, athletic talent, and the God who continues to take delight in the works of his hands, does in fact enjoy   these displays of His creative handiwork in our own enjoyment of these things, then we are honoring God as the one who shines in all that is fair in His creation.

1.3.XII

The second experience is a much more serious one. In my book I repeated a story, that I’d read, about the brutal rape of a Muslim woman, by soldiers in Eastern Europe who had beheaded her new-born child. I used this horrible example, to illustrate my  strong sympathy   for an unbeliever in a specific situation. And I argued that in my positive concern for her, I believe strongly that I ‘m sharing in God’s profound sympathy  for her in her suffering. Prof. Engelsma responded to this example in two different ways :

First, he stated his own deep conviction that the God of the scriptures does not, and I quote,  does not “ sympathize with the suffering of the wicked “, including the wicked Muslim woman whose tragedy  I described. But he also admitted that he can appreciate my  own response to this horrible story. Indeed, he reports, he has his own experiences of this sort.  And as a case in point, he tells what is for him, and I’m quoting,” a particular instance of, or incident of,

heartrending distress. “ A story  from the Nazi era, told by William Shirer in his well known book on the subject. And here’s Prof. Engelsma’s description of the scene, I’m quoting, “ There’s a great hole containing the bodies of many Jews already machine-gunned by the S.S. In the new batch of Jews lined up at the edge of the pit [is] a little Jewish boy, about ten years old. As Nazis wait, cold, callous, even enjoying what they  are about to do, the little boy, not comprehending, but fearful, clings to his father. Looking down on his son’s anxious, but trusting face, the helpless father tries to comfort his child. In a moment father and son will go down into the huge grave, atop the mass of dead bodies, to be shot. “ end quote. I’m  so grateful for Prof. Engelsma’s next words, he says, “ It breaks our heart.“

1.3.XIII

But I also find it heart breaking, when he goes on to say, that an event of this sort, quote, “ does not break the heart of God. Since God, “ I’m quoting, “ Since God Himself inflicts their suffering by  His Almighty  power of providence as punishment for their sins. “ referring to the Jewish father and son. To be sure, he quickly  adds, the Nazis are fully  responsible for their sinful deeds, he says, “ Let these rapists, these murderers of  babies, and slaughterers of old men and little boys, let them be damned. “ He rightly  says that. But in the bigger picture, we must recognize, he insists, and I quote “ that in His sovereignty God acts through these despicable murderers, and evil doers to punish the ungodly  in righteousness. “ Now if we had more time, I would want to argue for a more nuanced treatment of what I believe to be the continuing special status of the Jewish people in God’s redemptive economy. But for now I’ll treat his example as He intends it, that is, as depicting the Jewish victims as persons who are outside the scope of God’s saving purposes. Prof. Engelsma thinks that my  deep sense that God grieves over the terrible treatment of these Jewish folks at the hands of the Nazis is wishful thinking on my  part. That I am allowing my  feelings to shape my  theological convictions without any Biblical support. Well, let me point in these concluding remarks to the kind of Biblical support that I would appeal to in support of my  position.

1.3.XIV

I do not see in the scriptures any  pattern that permits us to limit our Christian concern for the well being of others, exclusively  to other Christians. Nor do I think the scriptures depict God as being limited in that way. It’s clear, for example, that the Lord called his people in the Old Testament to work for the well being of the larger Babylonian society in which he had placed them in the time of their exile. The prophet says, “ And seek the peace, the shalom, of the city   whither  I have caused you to be carried away captive, and pray  to Jehovah for it, for in the peace thereof, you shall have peace. “ Jeremiah twenty-nine [ verse seven ]. And when I read the story of the good Samaritan I feel no obligation to figure out whether the Samaritan or his victim, to whom he ministered, were numbered among the elect. The clear message seems to be that we do not have to make sure that our neighbors have the right theology  before we know whether God wants us to reach out to them in their suffering. 

1.3.XV

The underlining principle here, I believe, is set forth nicely  in First Peter two where the apostle tells God’s elect people, to perform good deeds among the Gentiles. So that even though the unbelieving world might presently  accuse us of evil doing, they  will glorify   God on the day  of visitation. And the apostle Peter obviously sees these deeds as aimed at the good of unbelievers. In his four instructions in First Peter two seventeen he tells us that we are to fear, “ fobaeo”, fear the Lord, and we are to love, “ agapao “, agape love, to our fellow believers, while also showing honor, timao, which means having regard for the well being of, honor, both to those who govern us and to all human beings. In this same spirit, in the next chapter, Peter tells us that we should always  be prepared to defend our convictions, quote, “ to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you. “  And that in doing so we should treat this anyone in a spirit of gentleness and reverence. In all of this, are we being commanded to deal gently and reverently  with, and to show honor toward, people for whom God has nothing but hatred? Or are we being asked to look at others, as is so often the case in the scriptures, even as our Father in heaven sees them ? I opt for the latter  view. I believe that when we reach out in compassion to suffering unbelievers, we are expressing a love that flows from the very  heart of God.

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I think that I know  how my  Protestant Reformed critics would respond to me on this : they would insist that my  feelings are understandable ones, but that I am not honoring what they see  as the strong Biblical teaching that all those who are outside of Christ are God’s enemies. As finite creatures then, we must simply  stand in awe, before the mystery  of a sovereign God who “ will have mercy  on whom He will have mercy  “ and will harden the hearts of those whom He has chosen to pass over in their rebellion before His face. As a Calvinist myself, I cannot help, but respect that kind of appeal to accept humbly  the mystery of God’s sovereign ways.

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But there’s another mystery  in whose presence I continually  stand in awe, as a Calvinist, it’s the mystery  of a divine Savior who came from heaven to fulfill God’s electing purposes, and who one day  stood grieving over the rebellious city  of Jerusalem, crying out in  His sorrow, “ O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, how often would I have gathered thy children together as a hen gathered her brood under her wings, and you would not. “ I simply  cannot avoid the conviction that we are being given here, in this picture of a grieving Savior, a profound glimpse into the very  heart of  God. The fact that requires, as I see things, the insights offered by  the theology  of common grace. Thank you very  much.


Proceed to Prof. D. Engelsma's half of the debate.


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